the NFSAddons Discord was sabotaged on May 23, 2020 by some unknown users. all users of the server were apparently removed and all channels were deleted and was renamed to "Mecha Ruins Everything" in what I perceive to be some kind of attempt to blame me for it. just stating facts here, I was only aware of Mike Henderson (owner of NFSAddons), possibly Remko, and LRF Modding holding Administrator roles, whereas I was only a Moderator. I am a little uncertain as to how LRF is admin and I'm a mod when I've been an admin on the www.nfsaddons.com site since 2006. but whatever.
I can only surmise that this effort was brought about because I made a joking comment to AndreiK that vinyls didn't require as much skill to make as a whole car (which Azrael and I have been doing together going back to 2002 with other collaborators in F-body Faction). I made it a point of emphasis that, since a majority of the user base weren't even alive when Underground came out, that the only mods that were available for the game then were vinyls. until of course Arushan eventually cracked the file formats for Underground, Underground 2, and Most Wanted. I was no longer interested in arguing the authenticity of vinyl mods, their purpose, the skill required to make them, or to satiate the Gen Z collective's interests in such mods and I left Discord. I slept for approximately 6 hours, woke up, and was greeted to NFSAddons Discord being gone, replaced with an empty Mecha Ruined Everything server that I didn't find the least bit amusing and subsequently just left.
Awesome and I created a new server, while LRF and the CEO of ___ characters created their own. judging by how each server represents entire different portions of the current NFS community with ours having old and theirs having new, I take great issue with this splintering of the base. I have been banned from their new server, which I'm assuming means they're passionate enough about vinyls to disrespect me, disrespect Mike Henderson and Remko, and disrespect NFSAddons as a whole. I didn't possess administrative credentials to execute removal of every user, delete channels, or rename the server to try and frame me for doing it. I want the person that did this to own up to what they did, and I want to merge the servers into one official entity.
I've contributed much to the NFS community for near 20 years. my font is literally in the NFSAddons banner. NFSAddons/AddonsNetwork was something Mike Henderson and I jointly associated to produce. you will stop questioning how many cars I've created and what I've done. I've done far more than any of you will ever be capable of doing because the remnants of your community have been on life support for 10 years and you will never have the chance.
Your "joking comment" on AndreiK was "all vinyl modders are a waste of talent". And it was directed at all of the vinyl modders, not just AndreiK.
And it was not the first time you did such "jokes".
Let me list things that I know of that apparently led to that nfsaddons server kill or whatever:
- you ping ppl randomly, without context, sometimes just saying weird shit. Me for example - I randomly get a ping from you saying "let's hunt Viper down". It was probably a joke, but I had no context on that, nor am I friends with you.
- that comment about vinyl modders, if you would be friends with most of them - it would be fine. That's not the case tho.
- that kind of "jokingly shitting on ppl" as if everyone was your friend is apparently not a new thing, you did it earlier too. (that i cannot be 100% certain about, that's just what I heard)
- I'll just put it as separate thing even tho it was mentioned before - pings. Not everyone likes to be pinged, especially without reason. Some people can be waiting for ping on another server, and it can really mess it up for them.
- you keep repeating that you have an extensive contribution to the community. And yes, I don't deny it, even tho I haven't seen it (not seeing it doesn't mean it is not there). BUT, I haven't seen any new mods from you...
Do keep in mind tho, those above are not my picks, that's just what i heard was a part of that whole server kill. Other than when you pinged me, but that's just an example of random pings that i myself experienced firsthand.
I am aware of ppl saying that "you ruined it", I personally just think that you take everyone for a friend too easily, because sometimes they don't think that about you.
As for why LRF is an admin, and you a mod - LRF Modding has a pretty good connection with discord members, that could be it.
About the average age of the current user base, yeah, you are old compared to them. But that's just time doing its thing, isn't it? I mean, when LRF will be old, and a new user base comes in (those whose childhood games were 2015/payback/heat) - it's most likely that the current-gen will be just like you and F-Body faction...
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QuoteI was no longer interested in arguing the authenticity of vinyl mods, their purpose, the skill required to make them
thing, one message was enough. If someone would say all of your mods are a waste of potential, then would you care if he want to talk about it more or not? Don't think so.
Also, don't talk about disrespecting Mike or NFSAddons by banning you, above you have a list of things that got you in trouble. And CEO of ___ people are the most active discord members of nfsaddons.
I do agree however that the situation could be handled better than just killing the previous server. It's not really something I was a part of.
Discussion about wherever it's true that NFSAddons logo has your font or not - I won't say anything about that, because I simply don't give a f**k. (not sure if curse words are allowed here or not, better safe than sorry)
And in the end, even while it all went differently than it should, and you having a contribution to the nfs community - saying that others will not be able to do things like you, and without you nfs community will not have a chance is just funny, because it will survive without you easily. Just remember that you, me, F-Body faction, CEOs, even all of the modding sites - every single person in the community is expendable, that was, is, and will be true in every community that exists. If you want to see a community disappear - you would need to get rid of every single member at once.
If you take offense about any of the things above for some reason - I do not mean to offend you, but feel free to talk with me!
where are the f-bodies?
The Discord arguement and importance of vinyls
So first lets address what happened. Andrie was just chilling, just trying to convince you why vinyls take skill (and they are one of the first steps in the modding community). You just straight up tell him that "It's Bullshit and does not require any real skill". Then in this post, you say you were a livery modder too, so you just spit on your own work. Now I don't wanna talk about the "mecha ruined everything" server name part cause I do not know enough about that situation. But many active people started leaving, left because of you. There were no fights between other people. Just because of what you said. And you didn't just disrespect Andrie's vinyls (which you shouldn't obv) but you went on to say how Vinyls modders... which make up roughly 5% of the modding community are shit. in Discord there might be like 12 vinyl modders, in the site there might be 50+. They are a well known community in the nfs modding scene. As a vinyl modder myself I can tell you they take a good amount of practice and skill. And ofc, Car mods are levels above vinyls. No debate, but its not about the type of mods, its how much you work for them. The hard work is there and you need to see it. Also, I have seen how NFS High Stakes vinyls look. Now no disrespect, I know 2000's was a time where these tools weren't advanced but trust me its 2021 and people want more quality... in a 2005 game. Sometimes the vinyls shape shifts, glitches. Then you need to find how to fix it. The vinyls in High Stakes worked at those times because the car models were low poly so the vinyls too didn't have to be high quality. But now that's not the same case.
Being a moderator and not an admin
Now, lemme just say I am not going to judge whether you should be admin, mod or smtng. But saying you deserve to be higher than someone or that the other person does not deserve to be the role they are... that's not good. Its not your choice to decide, Mike has the right to decide that. But also, LRF has been very friendly to the community and always sticks to the point. I don't know why but whenever I saw your last post in #General-Chat you were always being out of context pinging random people. Like Viper said in his reply. That's just annoying. LRF also helps the new members, which I rarely see from you ( Talking about discord only ). Also you mocked us for calling ourselves CEO of _ but you yourself was "CEO of F-Body 'catfish looking car' Faction."
Banned from new server
Yes you are banned for new server but its not the reason you think. You didn't even come out discussing the situation. Calling us "Gen-Z" without any context is only making the matter worse. You don't apologize and moreover keep saying its somehow our fault. Listen, if people leave a server that's not even run by you, you know you done f**ed up. So Mecha please, own up to your mistakes and we can settle this. This whole situation is only gonna make it worse.... for you. And don't blame Mike. Mike isn't responsible for what happened and seeing the current situation it was the right decision.
20 Years of contribution and NFS Community being on "Life Support"
I wholeheartedly respect the 20 years of modding you have done for nfs. I respect you for being the first ones to make this mainstream. No, this isn't showing off. But saying you have achieved FAR MORE than any other modder can, that your contributed no other modder has.... I have only one response. Some names of well known modders ( roughly 3% of the entire NFS modding community, many of the best modder out there ) :
Ti-Sonic, Fardeen, Yochi, Albino, Vee, Viper, CR7, Eclipse72rus, EllisRacing, Corrin, Cishy, AJ Lethal, NLGZRGN, Archie, GodArm, BadassBaboon, Felixuer, RaTT, Neon, LRF, Emosen, Desanosan, SpazJR61, Fridge, Mati Mudkip, Risa, RX, Sgt. Drifter, Raven, KenjaMago, ED, Michael Werd
So I request you to address your actions, things you have said. Cause all these people just make 4% of the entire vast modding community, where. everyone. single. person. matters. A community is not just made by a single person, its a joint effort with people of different interest creating different mods, but in the end we are one big community, like Viper said. We don't hate you Mecha, we don't want to leave you out after the 20 years of modding you have put in... its just that your egoistic self, which is not you, has taken over you. You need to step up and address everything. Talk to me, I am sorry for being this aggressive. We can talk this out and come to settlement.
In the end I just wanna say that every person matters, even you. So lets not create further drama and stick together like a good and peacefull community. :)
Protect mecha at all costs.
I suppose I should clear a few things up.
1) I did not shut down the other discord, nor do I know entirely what happened. I was asleep and woke up to a bunch of messages and the old Discord being shut down.
2) It is a coincidence that the font in the NFSAddons logo is the same as the F-body Faction logo. It's a nice font, what can I say. I didn't know until ~6 months later when Mecha pointed it out. As far as I know, it was not created by Mecha. It's called Planet Kosmos and is free to use.
3) I don't take any of this as disrespect to NFSAddons. That being said, I created the site as a place for people to share their work and passion for the NFS series. If I recall correctly, it was the first NFS site to allow people to upload their own work. I understand there are people that love the classic games and hate the newer ones. And there are people that love the newer ones and have never played the classic ones. All are welcome here. I respect all modders and appreciate everything they do. Whether it's creating cars, vinyls, tracks (none of which I've ever figured out how to do) or even just taking screenshots for the SOTD. They are taking time out of their lives to make NFS more enjoyable for the rest of us.
4) What I do not want for NFSAddons to turn into is what was happening in the previous Discord channel. It wasn't just one person, so I am not blaming anybody. The language (I have no problem with swearing, but other language that was being used is not something I want associated with NFSAddons), negativity, fighting etc. There are other discord servers for that.
This is a place for people to ask questions without being judged, create whatever mods they want to create and share them with other fans, and discuss NFS and cars in general. That's why we are all here.
The thing that happened
Mecha understand it you don't need to be the biggest person out of everyone in the server that you say what they need to do like my mom said you will eventually fall from the tall horse which means that you become yourself the fact that everyone hates you thus leaving behind you and there tho you become nothing
Like Vicius said that was the true about it the 1.Fact that everyone got pinged because of you that did not get any sense at all 2.You made a type of modders mad about what you said, vinyls requires some skills and time to make them they not important as a car mod but they add a style to the respective car thus when that you said people like Emo left because of that. Not just vinyl modders left because that thing you said every person out there to left the old discord server.
You have to think about it
Your attidue nobody managed to support you just because you think even nowadays that you are the best the fact that nobody beats you but that time got over other people saw the oportunity of the modding and there tho created really good mods for the games.It's not all about High Stakes anymore, sure they are some people who are making mods to it even nowadays not much about it but they are happy about it but the main thing that's a lot more popular on this site it's MW,Carbon,UG2 etc.You know that you are old enough to understand what are they doing a good thing but you no you still have like a child mind to bother everyone so think about what you did.
I don't want to talk about it anymore what happened you need to think about what you did
Quote from: Mike on May 28, 2021, 9:37 AM
I suppose I should clear a few things up.
1) I did not shut down the other discord, nor do I know entirely what happened. I was asleep and woke up to a bunch of messages and the old Discord being shut down.
2) It is a coincidence that the font in the NFSAddons logo is the same as the F-body Faction logo. It's a nice font, what can I say. I didn't know until ~6 months later when Mecha pointed it out. As far as I know, it was not created by Mecha. It's called Planet Kosmos and is free to use.
3) I don't take any of this as disrespect to NFSAddons. That being said, I created the site as a place for people to share their work and passion for the NFS series. If I recall correctly, it was the first NFS site to allow people to upload their own work. I understand there are people that love the classic games and hate the newer ones. And there are people that love the newer ones and have never played the classic ones. All are welcome here. I respect all modders and appreciate everything they do. Whether it's creating cars, vinyls, tracks (none of which I've ever figured out how to do) or even just taking screenshots for the SOTD. They are taking time out of their lives to make NFS more enjoyable for the rest of us.
4) What I do not want for NFSAddons to turn into is what was happening in the previous Discord channel. It wasn't just one person, so I am not blaming anybody. The language (I have no problem with swearing, but other language that was being used is not something I want associated with NFSAddons), negativity, fighting etc. There are other discord servers for that.
This is a place for people to ask questions without being judged, create whatever mods they want to create and share them with other fans, and discuss NFS and cars in general. That's why we are all here.
it's the mecha font! :D
as for everyone else, it's just jokes. I'm sorry you interpreted it seriously like I'm some kind of large scale threat to your well being. this isn't a war and should not be treated as such.
I don't know how many of my messages were transferred to your server via screenshots, but anyone that's been around since 2002 knows I've always supported modders, in fact so much that I placed a heavy bias favoring them over anyone else. I don't read other channels on Discord besides #general, so I don't see anyone's projects. I don't know who makes what be it cars, vinyls, vidwalls, showrooms, or whatever else. so I am also sorry if it was conveyed that I wasn't supportive of anyone else's efforts.
@AJ_Lethal new releases will emerge someday. I think a large chunk of the modeling/texturing is done, it's just a matter of merging all those parts together. I liked your Bonus Camaro, that prompted me to make the 1993 Pace Car a couple years ago. I was never able to tell you this previously because you hate me by default for whatever reason and wouldn't talk to me.
@CEOs turn all your sounds off on Discord like I do. I don't care about 10 of you pinging me all the time.
The funny thing is that, whoever nuked the server, overreacted for some little drama.
And if that, you add the fact that mecha wasn't even mad but just joking... =D
If you wanna know who's childishly behaving here, just do the math. :D
old server: blow whole thing up
new server: just ban mecha and talk about him ad nauseum to where he can't respond to anything you're saying
they sound like winners with great strategy
Can't we all just get along.
Quote from: mecha on May 28, 2021, 2:27 PM
someday.
wouldn't hold my breath then given the track record of the past 10 years or so.
well, what happens if I do though?
Quote from: AJ_Lethal on May 28, 2021, 4:23 PM
Quote from: mecha on May 28, 2021, 2:27 PM
someday.
wouldn't hold my breath then given the track record of the past 10 years or so.
I've been telling him the same thing LOL.
Random picture updates of a model that should have been released before NFS4 turned 15.
Quote from: mecha on May 28, 2021, 4:38 PM
well, what happens if I do though?
I'll believe it when I see it
It's really sad to read someone being misunderstood and therefore make him responsible for "everything" and then ban him from the new server. Sounds very childish to me and that somebody is very bad at solving conflicts..
Is there a NFSAddons discord server where i don't need to register my damn phone number to be able to post? I would like to join a server like that